The cost of not being in the
Premiership
The year after relegation,
Forest were favourites to return to the Premier League,
with a good squad and in a relatively strong financial
position, given some moderate investment. We all know
what has ACTUALLY happened on the pitch in the 8 years
since - let's examine the financial cost.
Forest could not have
dropped out of (and stayed out of), the Premiership
at a worse time. This page illustrates
the losses in potential revenue through
not being in the Premiership, with figures starting
the year Forest were initially relegated (98-99).
Please note, clearly there
is no guarantee that the club would have been
promoted under different management and subsequently
stayed in the Premiership. However, if they had,
this is an AVERAGE revenue which would have been
achieved. For more "what if's", check
out the detailed analysis at the bottom of this
page.
We are not saying "Doughty
has definitely cost us over £500m",
we are just giving you information to do with
as you please. That is the point of this site.
Clearly though, we do believe
that if better managed the club would have returned
to the Premier League soon after it's relegation
and given the club's position at the time should
certainly not be sitting in Division 3, nine years
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Figures
Average Prem revenues vs Forest's
actual revenues.

Sources & Notes
1 http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1009392,00.html
2 https://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=710613
3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League
4 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5032978.stm
5 http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,218819,00.html
(98-99 figures - used to extrapolate 99-01).
- The Figures in red are estimates / extrapolation from
previous years. If you can find the actual figures,
please contribute in our forum
- Div 1 revenue is average revenue for the league
now called "The Championship"
Discussion
Average Premiership revenues have increased
exponentially since '99, almost entirely due to rocketing
television revenue from Sky and recently Setanta Sports.
As a result, the cost of relegation in '99 and the failure
to regain Premiership status is almost incomprehensible.
The simple calculation above illustrates that by the
end of next season, the loss in revenue compared to
the average Premiership club will approach the HALF
A BILLION pound mark, over just 9 years!
In depth analysis
Best case scenario from now on
Let's take the following rediculously optimistic scenario,
as offered by Mark Arthur in June 2007.
Forest
are promoted this year, promoted next year and then
begin to challenge for Europe when in the Premiership.
Challenging for Europe would clearly
mean a revenue amongst the leagues "average teams".
In this fantastical scenario, the earliest Forest could
achieve an average Premiership revenue would be 2009-2010.
Starting from the year Nigel Doughty
became involved, the following table illustrates lost
revenues. Premiership revenues will remain relatively
stable for the next couple of years, as the latest Sky/Setanta
contract was a 3 year deal.
However, there will be some increases,
for instance the £1.7bn TV deal due to start next
season has already risen to £2.1bn
due to new mobile and internet contacts. For that
reason we have increased expected income per club by
£5m p.a. (a very conservative figure). We have
also allowed Forest a considerable increase in revenues
for the two supposed promotion seasons.

So, even if we obtain
two promotions and then finish in the top half of the
Premiership in 3 years, challenging for Europe, failure
to regain Premiership status under Doughty and his administration
has cost the club well over £550million, in just
10 years.
Even the most hopelessly
ill educated fan knows that this scenario is never going
to happen, so with that noted, be aware that every year
we remain outside the Premiership, it now costs the
club almost £100m in lost revenue. Kinda makes
the arguments over £10m for a new Main Stand seem
a bit inconsequential, doesn't it?
What if we we're a lower Prem / yo-yo team?
Let's ignore Mark Arthur's spin and set our sights a
little lower. When being relegated in '99 (earliest
figures we could find), Forest received less than the
average Premiership revenue, as you would expect from
a club finishing bottom of the league (£17,003/£33,650
= 49.47%).
You could argue that Forest are not
going to be an "average Premiership club"
and lost revenues should be compared to worst Prem clubs.
In that case, lost revenues are "only"
around £200m to date (fig includes the 8
years which Doughty has been at the helm).
Of course, potential losses in coming
years are still rising at an extraordinary rate. Taking
into account this
article, you will see that lower Premiership teams
are now receiving a larger piece of the pie (% wise)
than they have in previous years. Next season, the team
who finishes bottom of the Premier League will receive
£30m in prize money, 60% of the figure awarded
to the league winner (£50m). In 2005 this figure
was 53% (£16m/£30m).
In short, even hovering around the
bottom of the Premiership is worth a phenomenal amount
of money.
Removing the big 3
Many people reading this may be wondering what percentage
of this "average income" is taken up by the
top clubs. Let's see.
Taking one year (03-04), and looking
at the top 3 team's revenues as a % of total;
Man U = £172m
Chelsea = £144m
Arsenal = £114m
Total top 3 = £430m
Total = £1300m
Remaining total for other 17 clubs = £870m
Average without top 3 = £51.18m
Average with top 3 = £66m
Difference = 77.5%
So as you can see, the top 3 clubs
don't actually take up a rediculously large % of the
revenues. A top 3 constitutes 15% of the league's clubs
and only takes up 22.5% of the revenue - not vastly
disproportionate at all.
Who says it would be better under anyone else?
We've stated at the top of this page that you can never
tell what might have been if someone else had been Chairman
instead of Nigel Doughty. For that reason you
have to take these figures at face value. Assess what
you think could and should have happened and work out
a figure for yourself.
Again though, note the following.
- Forest were bookies favourites
to be promoted in 99-00
- The two previous times the club
had been relegated in recent times, they bounced back
at the first time of asking (both times via automatic
promotion). This was the case even under the much
maligned Bridgford Consortium.
- Between 1957 and 1999, Forest spent
35 of 42 years in the top flight (83.3%) and 21 of
those seasons in the top half of the top flight (50%).
Again, non of that information guarantees
anything but it's information non the less and the more
of that you have, the more educated a judgement you
can make on a situation.
Summary
Does this section need a summary?
I don't think it does, as if you've actually read this
page you understand the seriousness of the situation.
Suffice to say, new stadiums and talk
of ambition are just fine and dandy but
when Doughty took over we were a fringe Premiership
club and we now sit 2 divisions below it, with absolutely
nothing to indicate that we will EVER get back there
under his guidance.
As a Forest fan does that worry you?
It should.
We are getting left behind. This should
be our only focus - spend money on the squad to achieve
Premiership status. If you have read the rest of this
site you will know that the club has spent a net figure
of MINUS £7.17m
since being relegated from the Premiership and have
spent a grand total of £850k
on summer signings in the last 8 years.
Doughty has proved time and time again
that he wishes to do things on a shoestring - the only
way that is going to change is if the fans
make him change by putting on the pressure.
As fans we need to demand genuine investment
in the playing squad and demand a genuine
display of ambition to reach the Premiership - NOT JUST
TALK FROM MARK ARTHUR.
Talk is cheap - failure to regain
Premiership status is bloody expensive!
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